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Tramlink Nottingham – the company who operate Nottingham Express costs incurred in completing the two new tramlines and buying new trams. period and they have stated that they will continue to meet all requirements. The project to extend Nottingham's tram system to Clifton via Wilford and Chilwell a proposed tram route from Phoenix Park to Kimberly and a public meeting to . will receive a discount, when compared with buying their ticket on the tram. Chair of D2N2 & Tramlink Nottingham awarded OBE Invest Ashfield & Mansfield hosts first Business Expo and Meet the Buyer event · Grants - How to Identify.
Demonising factors of cars: There are others, not just pollution multiple aspects — global warming, as well as local environmental and health impacts and congestion and its consequential economic damage. Trams can brake faster than other vehicles for reasons including the fact that magnetism can be used, as well as the regenerating of electricity back into the system. A nice idea I would support them where there is no choice other than on road running but trams are faster, provide easier access and egress no need to line up with the kerband a more attractive to car drivers and the middle classes.
An ordinary bus is not going to attract people whether it has a diesel engine or a fuel cell. A bus is still a bus. It still gets stuck in traffic jams or you have to build separate roads or guided busways for it, which involves more impact than tram tracks.
The technology is still extremely expensive and limited. And it does pollute! How do you think the hydrogen produced for use in the fuel cell? Some fuel cells use hydrocarbons in which case they are still contributing to global warming!
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Not everyone can drive, afford or use a car e. Those that force the use of the car prosper less well than those that offer public transport. Otherwise they are very much disliked for their arrogance in polluting the world and wasting its resourc! Its not a dirty thing to live in cities, quite the opposite in fact. With western lifestyles, living in densely populated areas is much more sustainable. Insider thinks that learned people are liars.
He might want to imagine what we think about him.
AW 8th August A better world The road lobby are at it again! I'm sorry we can all see through you, the road lobby, garage owners, multi-national oil companies all at work once again. Jim 8th August Imagine a better world In reply to the insider. Has the insider spent too long inhaling fumes from his chosen form of transport as he obviously does not populate the same environment as me. Car growth has increased at a faster rate than the population and even the Conservative government realised that if you build a road it attracts more traffic such that due to growth most motorway improvements are already beyond the expanded capacity when they are opened.
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There are plans being investigated to widen the M1 to five lanes each direction, and that will need a new road to link to Nottingham.
Where should that go, along a previously identified transport corridor perhaps a discarded tram route for instance? Tarmac over West Bridgford If out of town shopping is the answer what effect will that have on the small shops like the ones that used to exist in Sheffield before Medowhall.
And lets all move out of towns and cities and live in the countryside, how dare they have rebuilt the lace market in Nottingham to repopulate the city centre. Lets build on the green belt. If the Car is the answer and we should have our city designed around accommodating the car what does the Insider think of Coventry city centre Utopia?
Particularly the ring road. I expect he is disgusted at what they have done to Birmingham in the last few years they have actually made the city centre habitable. Stop focussing on the 30 ft of tarmac in front of you and open you eyes and look about you and try breathing some fresh air it may clear your mind.
AH 8th August Reply to insider Insider you seem to a very confused person. You start off by accepting the tram then propose an inferior system before suggesting that the car is the answer to our problems.
Your arguments in favour of the trolleybus are flawed. I find that environmentally unacceptable and expensive. It would be a haven for joy riders. The formation would have to be considerably wider than the tramway and there would be more noise.
You must be in love with your car, to drive all the way to Sheffield I invariably get held up somewhere en route to do some shopping. I get the bus or cycle into Beeston or Nottingham, zero stress and I must say now that car lovers such as yourself find it more difficult to get there it is a much more pleasant environment. Roll on the tram when getting there becomes even easier.
The pollution levels are considerably less than either a bus or a car. Furthermore as you say the smaller amounts of pollution are not concentrated where people breath, around schools etc. All this new technology may be as wonderful as you claim but I have my doubts.
Anyhow it is nowhere near viable yet. Also as new technology and greener methods of electricity production come into play trams can make use of this immediately. The whole concept of doubling the number of cars on the road fills me with horror. Already 10 people every day are killed on the roads; do you want to see 20?
Steve Barber 8th August The future's bright! Of course, like most rants, it is riddled with inaccuracy and GCSE misinformation. So lets put him right: That is unless we do something about it — like build a proven, reliable, regenerating, accessible and punctual…………. Andrew 8th August tram Some interesting, intelligent discussion in this forum in the last few days. I hope for our benfit that both NET and the County council have been presented with, and are assimilating, these ideas and arguments.
I was not aware of duality of light rail with heavy rail. Now surely that makes for a really cheap alternative to the Beeston-Chilwell extension, which can continue on to Long Eaton I didn't realise there were so many dissatisfied, dispirited people in Nottingham. It really is an appalling situation. Who, then, keeps voting for this council? Why are they not voted out when it is obvious they are not in the least interested in the feelings and opinions of the people? They are too interested in trying to raise money to pay for another white elephant, namely the tram system.
What a truly inadequate shower they are! Has any progress been made on this? I heard of congestion problems through Beeston - is this true? This had originally been proposed for line 1 of NET but the technology was not available when the contracts were let. It is now available so tram running along the Trowell loop becomes a possibility.
I wonder how the journey times would then compare. But imagine a tram installation that didn't require months of pipe-moving and track-laying, imagine a tram that that could effortlessly drive around obstacles, that was lighter and stopped faster I'm not old enough to remember the trolleybus, but I don't have to be. There are manufacturers out there who build viable trackless trams right now, and they're just as 'sexy' as trams Btw, who in their right mind thinks a tram is sexy?
For that matter, has anyone seen those ridiculous bendybuses? All the seating capacity of doubledecker, but it takes up twice the room on the road! Just what Nottingham's congested roads need! These days I approach shopping in a totally different way. I hop on board a special bus that picks me up from directly outside my house, which whisks me at immense speed to Sheffield's Meadowhall, and it's waiting for me the moment I'm finished. I call this special bus 'a car'.
Anyone find it a tad ironic that because of my home city installing a tram, I and no doubt other people too use a car to go to the outskirts of another city that already has a tram? Yes, they are, though of course they merely reduce the pollution and move it somewhere else. Imagine, if you will, another option, where electricity is generated from stored hydrogen, and the only exhaust emmision is water. We're talking about fuel cell technology of course. It's as green as a tram if not more so.
This is not fantasy. The major car developers Toyota, Daimler-Crysler, Ford and Honda, to name a few, are all planning to release fuel cell vehicles by They think they will be mass-produced by These are all verifiable facts don't take my word for it, go to the DETR's website and see for yourself. Now here comes the final big leap of imagination.
Remember, fuel cells cars will be mass-produced by okay, let's be pessimistic, let's say Where does this logically lead us Which cities will thrive in those circumstances? Will it be those that have short-sightedly tried to keep everything centralised in a pathetic attempt to ape London I don't care how many times Trent FM tells me I live the 'world's best city', I'm not buying their propaganda - it isn't even the best city in the UK!
Of course pollution isn't the only demonising factor surrounding cars - there is one other major problem, that being congestion. Let's deal with that o! The population size does not stay static. Once again, a mere GCSE-level knowledge this time of demographics will enlighten you.
Developed countries such as the UK all display the same population trend - population size levels off, then starts to fall. So you see, the absolute maximum number of cars that could!
Any claims you hear that 'building roads is not an aswer, because the number of cars will always increase is simply A LIE. A city, or even a country, that plans for this instead of trying to force people out of cars will prosper both financially and in terms of quality of life.
Imagine a world where transport is cheap and fast and flexible, and people don't have to huddle in stupidly dirty, overpriced and overpopulated areas like London and Nottingham. I think that's a better world, don't you? The Insider 6th August Hundreds of reasons for a tram An article in tonights Evening Post, page 9 begins "Hundreds of calls were made by asthmatics as pollution levels in the city reached high levels. We owe it to our children to do something and stop being selfish, insisting on driving our cars wherever and whenever.
Jim 6th August Ilkeston trams In addition to the trams being quicker than buses in the peaks, they should also be desirably faster off-peak as well. The present off-peak bus timing from Ilkeston to Nottingham along the A with Rainbow One is 35 minutes.
AW, your remarks are very interesting. A direct run to QMC is enabled. A Kimberley extension of Line One is a winner.
SB, I could not agree more with Section Agreements developer contributions to public works, such as tram building, or for off-site mitigation. Build the tram, school, and a fresh M1 park-and-ride site at Kimberley before the new housing and business park they would serve. Extending the Kimberley tram route further however, to Ilkeston via Awsworth and Cossall on-street, looks too expensive and slow.
When Nottingham Victoria station opened inthe fastest steam trains on the Great Northern Railway from Ilkeston via Kimberley did the run in 14 minutes.
Bywhen the passenger service ended, the last diesel trains took 25 minutes. Three years later the local stations on the Erewash Valley line closed.
Ilkeston has had no passenger trains since, and following the opening of the Robin Hood Line invies with Coalville as the largest town in the UK with no direct rail passenger service. As I have said, th! A century of progress? Could the tram be extended from Kimberley along the Great Northern trackbed?
Some new bridges are required e. Again this spins your figures nicely. The taxes will not discriminate whether or not you live in a closely defined area. Employers will not have to state whether their employees live near the tram tracks and thus pay a premium. As someone earlier showed you can spin these figures to come out at 25p per day each.
If you can't afford that - JC I'll have a whip round. AM, Toton January JC Seeing as you wont answer the question on what is the do nothing costs are, can you tell us what dicount rate have you used what rate of inflation have you used and can you confirm your figures are NPV.
This isn't the first time you've changed your mind either! Jim, Beeston January Let's get positive JC is getting us all bogged down with his constant rubbish.
I suggest that we should all get positive about the tram. To start the ball rolling here is a letter I've sent to the Post. Recently I visited a friend in Sheffield. She no longer drives and depends on an electric buggy to get around. She can drive this straight on to the tram and so easily gets all over the city and to Meadowhall.
She thinks trams are marvellous! I too have recently given up my car and now depend on public transport. The R5, Barton buses are as good as a bus can be but won't take these buggies. It is rare to be able to get on them with a wheelchair due to overcrowding.
Raymond Crump's suggestion of River Buses using the old canal network and the River Leen is interesting, but he's thinking on far too small a scale to solve Nottingham's transport problems. What is really needed is a study of draining those old canal beds, and roofing them over to create a new Underground Metro which could interface with the Tram routes!
Just think - all those problems about finding route corridors and demolishing Old Folks Homes etc. Quick - pass me a Waterways Map and let's see where they run. The car is versatile, go anywhere, anytime option and can carry as many personal belongings or days out shopping as I like.
A trip to ASDA always generates at least a dozen bags of shopping - try that on a bus or tram. It run's off overhead electricity cables.
Trams - a Waste of Money! Universities have people too intelligent to oppose the trams — unless they are noise experts with a laboratory alongside a proposed route. Currently a bus runs every 20 minutes not evenings or vacation times between the Nottingham Trent Uni campuses at Clifton and the city centre, the NCT no.
Though some would think it negative, what if the service were scrapped in favour of the tram? There would still be other bus services every 20 minutes. Perhaps NCT could introduce shuttle connecting buses from the Clifton campus to the centre of Clifton, the tram stop.
The trams would of course run through to the city centre campus on Goldsmith Street. And the trams would of course run all evenin! For students living away from the parental home, Basford will be a future prospect for bedsitland, too distant in time for bus commuting, but within the tram orbit.
Geoffrey Bennett, Wilford January Trams AM ,the number of people over the age of 18 equated to 61, for 2 lines. For 3 lines this equates to 91, as an estimate. Whichever way you want to look at it ,and here are several options, it equates to a significant subsidy. In seven cases, a verdict of suicide was returned; in four cases, the Judge ordered a verdict of death by misadventure; in the twelfth case, an open verdict was returned and in the last, the Inquiry is expected to sit next month; an open verdict is the most likely outcome, taking into consideration the Coroners report.
An average of one per year; To put this into context, statistics released by the DoT forrecord an annual total of 2, fatalities on the roads of the United Kingdom. The analysis of the death rate per billion passenger kilometres in ; the last year for which records are available, is illuminating: Motorcycle — ; Pedestrian - 49; Pedal cycle — 41; Car 2. They both consider themselves economic experts and both oppose trams.
They produced a poster showing a EuroTram with the caption "Not Wanted" According to some information Ive received from Melbourne Australia the reason why it's not wanted is because the doors are too slow to close and so would cause unacceptable delay.
The tram which we shall get is the Invectra which will fulfil our requirements much better. Each tram replaces typically 55 and up to cars. Therefore once a tramway is running the roads become safer. Croydon also now has a lower rate of cycle accidents than any other London Borough. David, Wilford January Don't tar us all with the same brush In response to Stewart Maxwell's comments I would just like to point out that there are a considerable number of people who live on Compton Acres who are in support of the Tram.
We have an abysmal bus service and therefore look forward to being able to use another form of public transport - we don't all have four cars, and do like to leave those which we have at home sometimes. Look around - there are now far more "Yes" leaflets in house windows than "No".
Nottingham without Students would be a dead city. The money that the two universities students brings to local business and to all business in Nottingham is considerable.
If you want the city to start going backwards then carry on with your strange ideologies. In Response to Nellie F: Half the people on this board probably put down fake names. I'm not posting here to give myself a name but to air my thoughts and opinions, it's totally my right not to give you my name. Shall I just call myself Jill or John to satisfy your odd need to know who I am. See, my name is really not the point of posting here and makes no difference to what I put forward.
An tonne crane was used to lift the beams into place over Canal Street and alongside Trent Street, to link up the new tram viaduct alongside Middle Hill and the old railway viaduct alongside Trent Street. From Saturday June 15 through to Friday June 28, work to tighten 3, bridge bolts inside the steel beams will take place at night time to minimise the disruption to traffic and to court proceedings at the nearby Crown and County Court buildings.
This work will be noisy and people in the surrounding area will be given advance warning. One of the westbound lanes of Canal Street will be closed for safety while this work is carried out.
Once the bolting operation is complete, work to build the bridge deck can start. From July 9, there will be 12 night-time closures of Canal Street over 12 weeks, when 50 pre-cast concrete deck supports will be laid across the beams and concrete poured in between them. The closures are necessary due to a crane being used and so that there is no moving traffic below the worksite. By October, the main bridge structure will be complete, with additions such as stainless steel parapets, railings, cables and lighting fitted soon after.
Track will be laid across the bridge early next year. The two councils involved in the ambitious project have also carried out widespread public consultation into the proposals. It is recommended that a route to Beeston and Chilwell is presented to the Government. It is also recommended that a route to Clifton is presented to the Government. The preferred proposed route will go from the railway station via the Meadows, over the River Trent on the Wilford Toll Bridge and along the former railway line next to Wilford and Compton Acres, through Silverdale and Clifton and out to a Park and Ride just off the A City and County councillors are due to meet next week and next month respectively to decide which lines from the several options should be presented to the Government for approval.
The voice of Nottingham's trams. A local teacher of deaf children is set to make the announcements on Nottingham's trams which, as well as helping other passengers, will be of particular benefit for people with disabilities.
Wendy Smith, 48, was the judges' - and the people's - choice for the Voice of the Tram, following a search for the hidden vocal talents of East Midlands folk which culminated in a nail-biting, Pop Idol-style finale. Over entries were whittled down to a shortlist of half a dozen and NET officials and BBC Radio Nottingham listeners voted for Wendy's voice for its clear and calm qualities. Wendy has now undergone a voice test which will be assessed by specialists who will determine whether she has what it takes to satisfy the latest Disability Discrimination Act requirements.
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If given the green light, her voice will be heard making on-board announcements by thousands of tram passengers every day once NET Line One gets up and running next November. The new five span viaduct a little north of Midland Station replacing an earlier Great Central Rly structure is now complete together with an angled span taking the right of way back to the adjacent street. In the Hyson Green area track construction work is proceeding actively at several sites.
Two long sections of track have been laid along Noel Street, together with a short branch into the ASDA hypermarket site. The new track continues into Gladstone Street and a short section has been laid in Wilkinson Road. The depot building has been completed and some ballast laid near it for future track. Further north much site clearance work has been completed along the west side of the Mansfield railway and considerable further preparatory work is under way between Wilkinson Road and Basford.
The western platform at Bulwell has been demolished and the western track lifted making the Mansfield railway single track from a little south of Bulwell to well north of Newstead. There is little evidence of work over the last mile to Hucknall where the station is rather isolated and far from the town centre. Nevertheless the car park had attracted cars for the meagre rail service. Hucknall has a very fine ten minute frequency bus service by the main route given by modern spotless punctual buses so the tram will have to be on top form to compete!
Update 23 January Hyson Green Market is on the move, as track laying work gets underway. Work started to lay tracks on Radford Road on Monday January 14 and is due to finish in the summer, which means that the weekly market which takes place every Wednesday at the marketplace on the corner of Radford Road and Terrace Street has to be moved. But traders are only moving yards up the road - to part of Asda's car park on Radford Road.
Negotiations between Nottingham City Council's Markets and Fairs section, the tram developers and Asda resulted in the temporary solution while the tracks are laid. It is hoped the market can return to its home in less than three months. The search is on for the voice of Nottingham's trams. It is hoped a local person can be found to record the announcements which thousands of passengers using Line One of Nottingham Express Transit will hear every day.
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Trams are due to start running from November next year, and as well as electronic display boards indicating the next stop, there will be announcements over speakers on the smart new vehicles to make it as easy as possible for everyone use them.
Track laying work was halted over the Christmas period but has already resumed in some areas and with more starting shortly. Work will also resume on the construction of a landmark, stainless steel-clad bridge to carry trams over Canal Street. This will connect a new tram viaduct, which was completed last year, with an old train viaduct alongside Trent Street, where NET Line One will terminate.
Further consultation meetings are due to take place later this month for future lines. Residents living along the proposed tram routes which run to Clifton via the Meadows and Wilford are due to receive a booklet next week telling them all about the plans and inviting them to exhibitions scheduled for the following week.
This is the second booklet and series of consultation events to take place on possible extensions which include Clifton Via the Meadows and Wilford Via Queen's Drive and the possible new developments on the site of the Royal Ordnance factory site. There is also news of possibly up to eight new tram routes in addition to the ones currently being discussed in a government funded traffic study for the East Midlands. The model, a third of the length of the real thing and numbered to follow on from the last tram to run in Nottingham was seen by about 20, people when it went on display in Nottingham.
Information from Nottingham Traffic Control Centre. All the work to move utility services away from the tram route has finally paid off - allowing the real work to build a tram system to start. A hole will be dug around ft long and the width of one side of the road. The whole section of the road being worked on will have to be closed off for up to six weeks to allow access to the work site. There will be a number of sections being worked on at any one time - for example, half way through the works on the first stretch, another gang will start on a lower section of Noel Street, and then track laying will also begin in Waverley Street alongside the Arboretum.
Pedestrian access will be maintained in front of properties affected, but alternative parking arrangements will have to be made. Ultimately, there will be new parking and loading bays alongside the tracks.
NET personnel will be in touch with residents or businesses whose properties front onto each track laying section to ensure everyone is aware of what's happening and any special needs have been taken into account.
As well as laying tracks, this phase of work includes the start of tram stop construction, the resurfacing of pavements and digging foundations for the poles which support the overhead cables. The model, which is a third of the length of the real thing, is currently having finishing touches put to it at the Derby workshops of Bombardier, formerly Adtranz. Built out of wood and under the cover of a large marquee, the unique mock-up will show every minute detail of what the finished product will look like.
This will be the first chance for people to see the outside livery, climb on board and see the colour scheme, upholstery and layout inside and get a feel for what sort of experience it will be to ride on a modern tram. The arrival of the tram replica comes over a year after work began to build NET Line One, two years ahead of public tram services starting to operate, in Novemberand just as the next phase of work begins- laying tram tracks.
The replica will be officially unveiled at 12pm on Monday September 17 by the Lord Mayor of Nottingham, Councillor Roy Greensmith - helped by 20 children from Old Basford Primary School which borders the tram route - and will be open for public viewing from 1pm.
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For the rest of the week it will be open to the general public from 12pm to 6pm and all day on Saturday September NET personnel will be on hand to answer any questions and provide all the latest publications on the tram. Special viewing sessions have been planned for school children, people with disabilities, people who speak different languages, staff from the city and county councils and business people. This replica gives us a taste of what's in store-and it looks fabulous'.
The arrival of the tram replica comes over a year after work began to build NET Line One, two years ahead of public tram services starting to operate, in Novemberand just as the next phase of work begins - laying tram tracks. Most of the work completed to date involves the moving of services under streets in the city centre to be used by the trams. The route will start at the railway station, the former Midland Station, and will climb quite steeply up Middle Hill partly on a new viaduct replacing the disused and recently demolished bridges taking the Great Central Railway from the south towards Victoria Station.
The foundations for the pillars of the new viaduct have been built and concrete piers are now being constructed. At present the future route runs just east of the Broad Marsh Shopping Centre but the Centre is to be extended and a new stop will be provided inside the new extension. At the top of the hill will be Lace Market stop from where the route will run down the hill past the Town hall to enter the Old Market Square where there will be a further stop.